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Poster: Greg K Date: Jan 31, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: movies Subject: Why does it say "Cinepack"? That should be changed

I've just downloaded several episodes of "Tales of Tomorrow" using the "Cinepack" download link....and every one of those was actually an AVI file with the Xvid codec, NOT the Cinepack codec (which is a specific codec). Wherever it says Cinepack it should be changed to AVI....because that's what it is.

It also still sucks that people keep uploading using lower-quality inferior formats like MP4 (which is SPECIFICALLY meant for iPod), and even AVI format instead of DVD-quality MPEG2....which is how everything should be initially uploaded here and then allow the system to convert into whatever other formats are wanted or required. What's the point of this being an ARCHIVE when inferior-quality formats are being uploaded? I really don't understand the reasoning behind this.

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Poster: Shn Date: Feb 8, 2009 12:22pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

MP4 is a container format, it has nothing to do with the codec that is used. AVI is also a container format. MPEG2 isn't in any way particularly high quality, the reason DVDs are reasonably good quality is they use a high bitrate. Blu-ray incorporates MPEG4 which can achieve better quality with the same bitrate and can be stored in any number of containers including MP4 (although it's not a good idea to use MPEG4 AVC/H.264 with AVI).

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Poster: LeGrande Date: Feb 9, 2009 12:01pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

I would add to the other comments by saying that since this archive is a public archive, one should take the initiative and create higher quality encodes if that's what they desire. Find the original material yourself and then make the higher quality encode for others and upload it. This website works almost entirely off of volunteer labor and efforts. That said, I agree that "Cinepack" is misleading since the final product doesn't use Cinepack encoding, and it could lead people who are familiar with older versions of Quicktime (which used the Cinepack codec often) to think that the files might be compatible with their older computers, when in fact it would not.

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Poster: johnmmc Date: Apr 17, 2010 1:38pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

Internet Archive is a historical and entertainment treasure, and I wish to thank ALL contributors for bringing back and making available old-time radio, movies and serials, phonograph recordings, and countless other materials to the public. And at no cost to the viewer! (Some day, I'll remember to send a contribution.)

No, beggars should not be choosers. Archivers and contributors — keep up the good work! I love you!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Apr 18, 2010 11:10am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

it's really an embarrassing mistake on our part that happened about 6 years ago. (given that Cinepack is a compressor/codec like Sorenson)

the problem is we had so much momentum and history like this, we opted (for now, at least) to grudgingly continue with it to stay consistent.

it should prolly be:
Audio Video Interleaved


sorry for this on our part!
-tracey, staff

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Jan 31, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

You know its funny you should mention that cause I just spent several days encoding and posting several Tales of Tomorrow eps. I like the Xvid encodes and see no reason to spend money on a good mpeg2 encoder and I havent found a free one that is worth a darn. I am not about to start posting vob files or iso's. What I uploaded was what I wanted as my end result and I cant tell any difference in my 512 x 384 encodes next to a 720 x 480 DVD encode other than I can fit 18 xvids on a disc and play on my 30 dollar dvd player at home. Should I not post these at all because it isnt what you would like to have. I made these for me and shared with you all here.

Mike D.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jan 31, 2009 9:14pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

The mislabeled 'cinepack' really doesn't matter if you can play the video.

I think that Archive's move towards MP4 h2.64 is about making using the archive and contributing to it easier for people with less heavy duty internet connections. This is the "Internet Archive". The key word there is "Internet". And MP4 isn't a format that is meant for Ipod. I can do blu ray quality on MP4 (1080 15mbps). You'd flatten the village and leave a mushroom cloud if you tried to play that on an Ipod.

Most uploaders are private collectors who are sharing their collection with other users, many of whom don't contribute. Some, like me, are people who make a living off their public domain collections and upload movies and tv shows for the benefit of the people who contribute tirelessly.

With "Classic TV", like Old Time Radio, lo-fi is part of the enjoyment of the original program. When I upload to Classic TV I use about VHS quality 320x240 600kbps MP4 which closely aproximates the format that the original program was shown in.

In Feature Films I generally upload in 640x480 1mbps MP4 which is only a small mark down from DVD quality if a HD master is used. Of course many PD films are lo-fi by nature and the rule with encoding is that if quality is crappy on the way in, its only going to be slightly less crappy on the way out. To use the language of the industry - "shit in, shit out".

The reality is that you are getting this service very cheaply (free for most people). Ultimately, beggars can't be choosers. It is the uploader's decision which video codec they use. Not the end user's.

If all movies where uploaded in DVD quality MP2, you would be talking about only hundreds of videos in the Animation, Feature Films and Classic TV sections not thousands.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2009-02-01 05:14:29

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Poster: Wgadstar Date: Aug 10, 2012 5:06pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: Why does it say 'Cinepack'? That should be changed

Carelessness of what others kindly say, posing as a priority for Public Domain. opposing sharing for caring to utilize what Internet now provides for of many matters of importance to share with not-beggars valuing values quite highly, there's no justification for you to touch Public Domain Properties, nor make income from, to put mildly. Get offline, mega mooch.

-- Thomas D. Thompson

This post was modified by Wgadstar on 2012-08-11 00:06:44